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		<title>By: Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam/&#039;Mike&#039;--thanks for the thoughtful comment and the suggestion.  Cross-posted &lt;a href=&quot;http://bluenc.com/transparent-and-responsive-governance&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam/&#8217;Mike&#8217;&#8211;thanks for the thoughtful comment and the suggestion.  Cross-posted <a href="http://bluenc.com/transparent-and-responsive-governance" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://tropophilia.com/2008/07/28/transparent-and-responsive-governance/#comment-1560</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Taylor ... cross-post on BlueNC? I think it would be a great diary to share.</description>
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		<title>By: Sierra A. Mike</title>
		<link>http://tropophilia.com/2008/07/28/transparent-and-responsive-governance/#comment-1559</link>
		<dc:creator>Sierra A. Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Below are the opinions and ramblings of a politico, laden with opinion ...

I got 57/60 on the horribly biased, Reagan-worshiping test that Ashish provided (at Davidson, that would have been a B-). But I digress. I don&#039;t think that test is a general knowledge test by any means - and this is coming from a guy whose job it is to know almost every candidate&#039;s position on almost every issue. 

@Ashish I&#039;m surprised that you didn&#039;t check in with &quot;The American Voter,&quot; the landmark dis to the American Electorate. It&#039;s even more of a smackdown than &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_Do_You_Sleep%3F&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;John Lennon&#039;s  &quot;How Do You Sleep?&quot;&lt;/a&gt;. Now, V.O. Key and many other political scientists responded. Key came back and in his own book says &quot;Voters are not fools.&quot; IMHO, the jury is still out, at least based on the 30,000 or so doors I&#039;ve knocked on in my political lifetime ... anyway, the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/23/AR2008072303693.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;WaPo&lt;/a&gt; had a great article recently about the follow-up to &quot;The American Voter&quot; which reinforces some of your points while providing a silver lining for Pat and others:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;But wait, says Amy Gershkoff, who wrote her Princeton dissertation on issues and voting behavior and now advises left-of-center campaigns on how to target voters. She&#039;s got her own sports metaphor. Just as Beltway junkies know far more about policy issues than the average voter, baseball junkies know far more statistics than she does. But she still loves to watch the Yankees.

&quot;Even though I can&#039;t rattle off the batting averages of every person on the team and every person on every other team doesn&#039;t mean that I can&#039;t derive pleasure from the game,&quot; she says.

In other words, Gershkoff says, she knows enough. Many Americans vote primarily because of one or two or three issues, she says. They might care a whole lot about health care or prayer in schools and not at all about foreign policy, and maybe that leaves them sounding dumb when they&#039;re asked about Iraq. But they know enough about the issues they care about, and that&#039;s what they vote on.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Now, does the intellectual prowess of the electorate even matter? I think this is the real question. Already, the most important members of our government are decided by the elite. In this first example, the elite are simply the minority of Americans who can and do vote. In the era of Texas Redistricting and other bipartisan decisions to disenfranchise voters, this elite group&#039;s participation in party primaries decides the majority of elections in our nation. Usually, that&#039;s 10-20% of the 40-50% that are registered in one party out of the 70% of people that are registered voters ... or 3-7% of Americans. In many races 3-7% of the voters are the &quot;deciders.&quot;

On a home-town note, only 24% of the 66% of the Charlotteans that are registered to vote voted for Mayor in 2007. In a way, they decided whether or not Pat McCrory would be able to run for Governor (a loss would have hurt his chances greatly). He won in large part because Democrats didn&#039;t come out to vote ... and because the Chamber of Commerce targeted moderate, educated voters for the Bonds/Transit campaign instead of the traditional Democratic base. Don&#039;t believe that was a coincidence.

It gets even worse down the ballot. The state houses members that make our laws, the judges that interpret our laws, the school board members and county commissioners that touch our daily lives, the district court judges that are the thin black line between us getting a small fine for &quot;improper equipment&quot; and having our license revoked for going 80 in a School Zone ... they have to depend on Direct Mail and other voter contact methods to get their message out, and their ability to do direct mail and contact voters depends in large part on their ability to please prospective donors in real estate &amp; development, finance, law, and other elite groups. This is the second group of &quot;elite.&quot;

Like the tobacco companies that run anti-smoking ads, candidates are the ones who educate the most voters, and this education is funded by the elite and the special interest PACs. Don&#039;t kid yourself - even if it&#039;s just a few TV ads or a few mail pieces - candidates, parties, and 527s educate the voters, even if they don&#039;t know more than one right enumerated by the First Amendement.

And the media this year is killing me. The presidential race is &quot;tied&quot; when Obama is 100 EVs ahead in electoral college projections? Isn&#039;t there a sliver of a chance that reporting from the Wolfgang Blitzkrieg and Gracy Jane types is motivated by profit margins? A blowout isn&#039;t good TV. 

@Taylor I agree with the OP. As quixotic as it is, the only solution to our problems is more education and more participation. Otherwise, the elite are the puppets of our political process ... and the only difference between the candidates and the electorate is that the candidates can see the strings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Below are the opinions and ramblings of a politico, laden with opinion &#8230;</p>
<p>I got 57/60 on the horribly biased, Reagan-worshiping test that Ashish provided (at Davidson, that would have been a B-). But I digress. I don&#8217;t think that test is a general knowledge test by any means &#8211; and this is coming from a guy whose job it is to know almost every candidate&#8217;s position on almost every issue. </p>
<p>@Ashish I&#8217;m surprised that you didn&#8217;t check in with &#8220;The American Voter,&#8221; the landmark dis to the American Electorate. It&#8217;s even more of a smackdown than <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_Do_You_Sleep%3F" rel="nofollow">John Lennon&#8217;s  &#8220;How Do You Sleep?&#8221;</a>. Now, V.O. Key and many other political scientists responded. Key came back and in his own book says &#8220;Voters are not fools.&#8221; IMHO, the jury is still out, at least based on the 30,000 or so doors I&#8217;ve knocked on in my political lifetime &#8230; anyway, the <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/23/AR2008072303693.html" rel="nofollow">WaPo</a> had a great article recently about the follow-up to &#8220;The American Voter&#8221; which reinforces some of your points while providing a silver lining for Pat and others:</p>
<blockquote><p><i>But wait, says Amy Gershkoff, who wrote her Princeton dissertation on issues and voting behavior and now advises left-of-center campaigns on how to target voters. She&#8217;s got her own sports metaphor. Just as Beltway junkies know far more about policy issues than the average voter, baseball junkies know far more statistics than she does. But she still loves to watch the Yankees.</p>
<p>&#8220;Even though I can&#8217;t rattle off the batting averages of every person on the team and every person on every other team doesn&#8217;t mean that I can&#8217;t derive pleasure from the game,&#8221; she says.</p>
<p>In other words, Gershkoff says, she knows enough. Many Americans vote primarily because of one or two or three issues, she says. They might care a whole lot about health care or prayer in schools and not at all about foreign policy, and maybe that leaves them sounding dumb when they&#8217;re asked about Iraq. But they know enough about the issues they care about, and that&#8217;s what they vote on.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Now, does the intellectual prowess of the electorate even matter? I think this is the real question. Already, the most important members of our government are decided by the elite. In this first example, the elite are simply the minority of Americans who can and do vote. In the era of Texas Redistricting and other bipartisan decisions to disenfranchise voters, this elite group&#8217;s participation in party primaries decides the majority of elections in our nation. Usually, that&#8217;s 10-20% of the 40-50% that are registered in one party out of the 70% of people that are registered voters &#8230; or 3-7% of Americans. In many races 3-7% of the voters are the &#8220;deciders.&#8221;</p>
<p>On a home-town note, only 24% of the 66% of the Charlotteans that are registered to vote voted for Mayor in 2007. In a way, they decided whether or not Pat McCrory would be able to run for Governor (a loss would have hurt his chances greatly). He won in large part because Democrats didn&#8217;t come out to vote &#8230; and because the Chamber of Commerce targeted moderate, educated voters for the Bonds/Transit campaign instead of the traditional Democratic base. Don&#8217;t believe that was a coincidence.</p>
<p>It gets even worse down the ballot. The state houses members that make our laws, the judges that interpret our laws, the school board members and county commissioners that touch our daily lives, the district court judges that are the thin black line between us getting a small fine for &#8220;improper equipment&#8221; and having our license revoked for going 80 in a School Zone &#8230; they have to depend on Direct Mail and other voter contact methods to get their message out, and their ability to do direct mail and contact voters depends in large part on their ability to please prospective donors in real estate &amp; development, finance, law, and other elite groups. This is the second group of &#8220;elite.&#8221;</p>
<p>Like the tobacco companies that run anti-smoking ads, candidates are the ones who educate the most voters, and this education is funded by the elite and the special interest PACs. Don&#8217;t kid yourself &#8211; even if it&#8217;s just a few TV ads or a few mail pieces &#8211; candidates, parties, and 527s educate the voters, even if they don&#8217;t know more than one right enumerated by the First Amendement.</p>
<p>And the media this year is killing me. The presidential race is &#8220;tied&#8221; when Obama is 100 EVs ahead in electoral college projections? Isn&#8217;t there a sliver of a chance that reporting from the Wolfgang Blitzkrieg and Gracy Jane types is motivated by profit margins? A blowout isn&#8217;t good TV. </p>
<p>@Taylor I agree with the OP. As quixotic as it is, the only solution to our problems is more education and more participation. Otherwise, the elite are the puppets of our political process &#8230; and the only difference between the candidates and the electorate is that the candidates can see the strings.</p>
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		<title>By: Taylor</title>
		<link>http://tropophilia.com/2008/07/28/transparent-and-responsive-governance/#comment-1557</link>
		<dc:creator>Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 20:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Nisha!  I really admire the work of Sunlight.  Thanks for stopping by.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Nisha!  I really admire the work of Sunlight.  Thanks for stopping by.</p>
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		<title>By: Nisha Thompson</title>
		<link>http://tropophilia.com/2008/07/28/transparent-and-responsive-governance/#comment-1556</link>
		<dc:creator>Nisha Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 20:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad you enjoyed the panel at Netroots Nation.  It is important to get Congress and other government bodies to take transparency seriously and release information.  Public information is essential for keeping elected officially accountable.  Feel free to check out other resources here: http://www.sunlightfoundation.com/resources/. 

If you have any questions contact me at any timie. 

Nisha Thompson
Sunlight Foundation
Organizer and Outreach Coordinator
nthompson(at)sunlightfoundation(dot)com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad you enjoyed the panel at Netroots Nation.  It is important to get Congress and other government bodies to take transparency seriously and release information.  Public information is essential for keeping elected officially accountable.  Feel free to check out other resources here: <a href="http://www.sunlightfoundation.com/resources/" rel="nofollow">http://www.sunlightfoundation.com/resources/</a>. </p>
<p>If you have any questions contact me at any timie. </p>
<p>Nisha Thompson<br />
Sunlight Foundation<br />
Organizer and Outreach Coordinator<br />
nthompson(at)sunlightfoundation(dot)com</p>
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		<title>By: Jarred</title>
		<link>http://tropophilia.com/2008/07/28/transparent-and-responsive-governance/#comment-1555</link>
		<dc:creator>Jarred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 20:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh certainly, I knew you weren&#039;t discounting that point.  I was merely responding to this comment you made: &quot;I’d like to see more people involved in politics as well, but only if those people make the effort to understand the issues involved.&quot;  This statement seemed to stem from the deduction that because college seniors performed poorly in regurgitating facts from American history, they consequently don&#039;t (or can&#039;t) make the effort to understand current political issues.  Upon visiting the link you provided, I see that these individuals also failed in responding to questions about institutions, government, and the economy.  This is indeed disappointing -- this is an example of something that I, too, think every voting citizen (which I think should be every citizen) should have a basic grasp of.

My point, applied on a wider scope, is this: the traditional means of evaluating and judging the competence of the younger generations are inadequate.  The under-30&#039;s think, learn, and do much differently than our elders.  There is no question that there is much work to be done in terms of stimulating and encouraging the electorate to think critically about today&#039;s problems and the potential solutions for them.  But pre-judging their ability or inclination to do so based on misleading data and surveys is not putting the best foot forward in that effort.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh certainly, I knew you weren&#8217;t discounting that point.  I was merely responding to this comment you made: &#8220;I’d like to see more people involved in politics as well, but only if those people make the effort to understand the issues involved.&#8221;  This statement seemed to stem from the deduction that because college seniors performed poorly in regurgitating facts from American history, they consequently don&#8217;t (or can&#8217;t) make the effort to understand current political issues.  Upon visiting the link you provided, I see that these individuals also failed in responding to questions about institutions, government, and the economy.  This is indeed disappointing &#8212; this is an example of something that I, too, think every voting citizen (which I think should be every citizen) should have a basic grasp of.</p>
<p>My point, applied on a wider scope, is this: the traditional means of evaluating and judging the competence of the younger generations are inadequate.  The under-30&#8217;s think, learn, and do much differently than our elders.  There is no question that there is much work to be done in terms of stimulating and encouraging the electorate to think critically about today&#8217;s problems and the potential solutions for them.  But pre-judging their ability or inclination to do so based on misleading data and surveys is not putting the best foot forward in that effort.</p>
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		<title>By: Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 20:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m putting words in his mouth (keyboard?  comment box?  whatever) but I think when Jarred writes discusses our generation&#039;s &quot;abilities to quickly digest, compare, and make choices and judgments about information,&quot; he&#039;s not just talking about information intake.  There&#039;s an inherent, as you put it Ashish, &quot;synthesis&quot; toward a &quot;purposeful conclusion.&quot;  Won&#039;t I make a more informed judgment about Roe V. Wade (or abortion in general) by reading expert opinion than by memorizing the case detail or forming an opinion without looking to all of the facts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m putting words in his mouth (keyboard?  comment box?  whatever) but I think when Jarred writes discusses our generation&#8217;s &#8220;abilities to quickly digest, compare, and make choices and judgments about information,&#8221; he&#8217;s not just talking about information intake.  There&#8217;s an inherent, as you put it Ashish, &#8220;synthesis&#8221; toward a &#8220;purposeful conclusion.&#8221;  Won&#8217;t I make a more informed judgment about Roe V. Wade (or abortion in general) by reading expert opinion than by memorizing the case detail or forming an opinion without looking to all of the facts?</p>
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		<title>By: Ashish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ashish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jarred, I use Wikipedia as much as anyone, so I&#039;m not discounting the value of being able to instantly and easily look up topics with which I&#039;m not all that familiar.  But I think a certain amount of portable knowledge is critical because it&#039;s not immediately obvious what lessons a person should take from American history or our current political landscape.  A person who can find a lot of commentary and information on, say, Roe v. Wade may understand the history of the case, the subsequent objections to and defenses of the ruling, and the decision&#039;s effect on the two parties.  But being able &quot;to quickly digest, compare, and make choices and judgments about information&quot; won&#039;t really help you here because the proper governmental posture toward abortion isn&#039;t really a topic a person can settle solely through the aid of outside input.  

In other words, what matters is what happens when you step away from the computer.  What do you feel about what you&#039;ve read, heard, and seen?  The digital age can do a lot of things, but it can&#039;t make people synthesize their experiences any better or any worse than members of preceding generations could.  That&#039;s why we need people to be able to summon, unaided, a decent knowledge of their history, traditions, and culture:  So they can use those moments of quiet to shepherd the information they take in to a purposeful conclusion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jarred, I use Wikipedia as much as anyone, so I&#8217;m not discounting the value of being able to instantly and easily look up topics with which I&#8217;m not all that familiar.  But I think a certain amount of portable knowledge is critical because it&#8217;s not immediately obvious what lessons a person should take from American history or our current political landscape.  A person who can find a lot of commentary and information on, say, Roe v. Wade may understand the history of the case, the subsequent objections to and defenses of the ruling, and the decision&#8217;s effect on the two parties.  But being able &#8220;to quickly digest, compare, and make choices and judgments about information&#8221; won&#8217;t really help you here because the proper governmental posture toward abortion isn&#8217;t really a topic a person can settle solely through the aid of outside input.  </p>
<p>In other words, what matters is what happens when you step away from the computer.  What do you feel about what you&#8217;ve read, heard, and seen?  The digital age can do a lot of things, but it can&#8217;t make people synthesize their experiences any better or any worse than members of preceding generations could.  That&#8217;s why we need people to be able to summon, unaided, a decent knowledge of their history, traditions, and culture:  So they can use those moments of quiet to shepherd the information they take in to a purposeful conclusion.</p>
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		<title>By: Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A very solid point Jrod.</description>
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		<title>By: Jarred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jarred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Going on a slight tangent, I&#039;m wary these days of surveys/evaluations of what was once considered essential knowledge (see my beef with Susan Jacoby calling America&#039;s youth &lt;a href=&quot;http://tropophilia.com/2008/03/05/whoa-whoa-whoa-dunces/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a bunch of dunces&lt;/a&gt;).  I do not disagree that American and international history are important factors -- among others -- to take into account when making informed decisions about new policies.  How important is it really, however, that these factoids be memorized?  Absolutely, American voters and other citizens should have a broad understanding  of our history, traditions, and interests.  But with the rise of the digital era, where we can capture huge amounts of information and (to borrow my employers&#039; slogan) organize it and make it universally accessible... is it that important for every graduating senior to have so much information stored in their brains?  While those surveyed may have performed poorly in recalling facts, they probably would exponentially outpace the preceding generations in their abilities to find both general and specific information on the Internet.  Why fumble around for names and dates and voting records when it takes less than a minute to find precise (and more often than not, unbiased) information in digital form?

That&#039;s the promise I see in these tools.  They give the new, &quot;wired&quot; generation the tools they need to find information and skip the sound bytes.  It caters to their abilities to quickly digest, compare, and make choices and judgments about information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Going on a slight tangent, I&#8217;m wary these days of surveys/evaluations of what was once considered essential knowledge (see my beef with Susan Jacoby calling America&#8217;s youth <a href="http://tropophilia.com/2008/03/05/whoa-whoa-whoa-dunces/" rel="nofollow">a bunch of dunces</a>).  I do not disagree that American and international history are important factors &#8212; among others &#8212; to take into account when making informed decisions about new policies.  How important is it really, however, that these factoids be memorized?  Absolutely, American voters and other citizens should have a broad understanding  of our history, traditions, and interests.  But with the rise of the digital era, where we can capture huge amounts of information and (to borrow my employers&#8217; slogan) organize it and make it universally accessible&#8230; is it that important for every graduating senior to have so much information stored in their brains?  While those surveyed may have performed poorly in recalling facts, they probably would exponentially outpace the preceding generations in their abilities to find both general and specific information on the Internet.  Why fumble around for names and dates and voting records when it takes less than a minute to find precise (and more often than not, unbiased) information in digital form?</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the promise I see in these tools.  They give the new, &#8220;wired&#8221; generation the tools they need to find information and skip the sound bytes.  It caters to their abilities to quickly digest, compare, and make choices and judgments about information.</p>
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